Cool details for 3d Swamp Map

Subject: Cool details for 3d Swamp Map Sun Jul 15, 2007 11:30 pm

So i am making a swamp 3d map after i finish the garrison. I am planning on having many land walkways through the water filled deathtrap.
So far i know i want many dead things laying around... LOL
I'd like it to remind me of the trip through the bog in Lord of the rings... Vegetation will be thick in areas and alot of bones and other good stuff :)

Any ideas??

Subject: Re: Cool details for 3d Swamp Map Mon Jul 16, 2007 8:00 am

I am empty with ideas after our last few chats lol.

Maybe a broken down looking shack somewhere with nets?

Subject: Re: Cool details for 3d Swamp Map Mon Jul 16, 2007 8:08 am

I dont know if it is possible, how about some quicksand spots there about?

Subject: Re: Cool details for 3d Swamp Map Mon Jul 16, 2007 8:15 am

Well i am definitely not empty with ideas Wink

I like the sound of the broken down shack...i know it would take a bit longer, but i was thinking about making different modular islands. (different types of caves and mounds/rock formations ) I am sure we could make another "island" or two that has different structures on it. Like an octagonal hut, or a decrepid old wooden hut that is half caved in.....

Subject: Re: Cool details for 3d Swamp Map Mon Jul 16, 2007 8:23 am

The hut ideas are great so there is a place to but enemies or good guys.

Subject: Re: Cool details for 3d Swamp Map Mon Jul 16, 2007 8:41 am

Lannia glad you are coming up with ideas, but be careful-you will have to be playing on it!

Subject: Re: Cool details for 3d Swamp Map Mon Jul 16, 2007 9:06 am

Kilsek wrote:: Lannia glad you are coming up with ideas, but be careful-you will have to be playing on it!

LOL...i thought the quicksand was an excellent idea. I actually had some nasty sandy suprises in mind...whats a swamp without quicksand? :evillaugh:

Subject: Re: Cool details for 3d Swamp Map Mon Jul 16, 2007 7:18 pm

You can also mix things up a bit by changing up the types of swamp.

You've got the boggy kind like in LotR and the mangrove swamp like on Dagobah.

You've also got the classic "bottomless pit" type of terrain, but that would really just be a mostly water section of terrain unless maybe you darkened up whatever you were using for water.

Shacks? Check
Quicksand? Check

Perhaps a bit of a ruined tower or keep? And maybe an actual "road" that goes (mostly) through would be interesting. Oh and giant bones like from a Huge (or better) Dragon or Giant or turtle/tortoise shell.

Subject: Re: Cool details for 3d Swamp Map Mon Jul 16, 2007 9:40 pm

Pinky Narfanek wrote:: You can also mix things up a bit by changing up the types of swamp.

You've got the boggy kind like in LotR and the mangrove swamp like on Dagobah.

You've also got the classic "bottomless pit" type of terrain, but that would really just be a mostly water section of terrain unless maybe you darkened up whatever you were using for water.

Shacks? Check
Quicksand? Check

Perhaps a bit of a ruined tower or keep? And maybe an actual "road" that goes (mostly) through would be interesting. Oh and giant bones like from a Huge (or better) Dragon or Giant or turtle/tortoise shell.

Very nice ideas Pinky

Subject: Re: Cool details for 3d Swamp Map Mon Jul 16, 2007 10:44 pm

Pinky Narfanek wrote:: You can also mix things up a bit by changing up the types of swamp.

You've got the boggy kind like in LotR and the mangrove swamp like on Dagobah.

You've also got the classic "bottomless pit" type of terrain, but that would really just be a mostly water section of terrain unless maybe you darkened up whatever you were using for water.

Shacks? Check
Quicksand? Check

Perhaps a bit of a ruined tower or keep? And maybe an actual "road" that goes (mostly) through would be interesting. Oh and giant bones like from a Huge (or better) Dragon or Giant or turtle/tortoise shell.

Good ideas pinky...i am planning to have a number of bones from dragon type creatures and the like.
As for water i am using it will more than likely be an acrylic gel. Bottom will be colored differently depending on the base. I do like the idea of a ruined tower/keep very much...that will defeinitely be a consideration.

As for the road, it will be more trails on isles/jettis between water sections rather than a semi well-used actual road.
Keep the ideas coming Pinky!!

Subject: Re: Cool details for 3d Swamp Map Tue Jul 17, 2007 12:21 am

More? MORE?!

Well, OK.

To go along with the ruins, you could also have:

The remnants of walls (stone or wood...or some of those giant bones).

A crypt/mausaleum and/or a small cemetary.

Boats (ruined or otherwise)...I think that the wrecked bow of a sizable boat poking up along the edge of a swamp gives a nice "doomed" feeling.

I think I'm tapped out now.

Subject: Re: Cool details for 3d Swamp Map Tue Jul 17, 2007 7:46 am

dude if you go through with this, it will be very cool. I have been trying to figure out how to do swamp for a long time.

Subject: Re: Cool details for 3d Swamp Map Tue Jul 17, 2007 2:31 pm

Pinky Narfanek wrote:: More? MORE?!

Well, OK.

To go along with the ruins, you could also have:

The remnants of walls (stone or wood...or some of those giant bones).

A crypt/mausaleum and/or a small cemetary.

Boats (ruined or otherwise)...I think that the wrecked bow of a sizable boat poking up along the edge of a swamp gives a nice "doomed" feeling.

I think I'm tapped out now.

I really like the idea of an old decrepid boat in the swamp half sunk. i would like to see the swamp as no-mans-land...i want very little civilization in the swamp (i want it to look as savage and untamed as possible)

Subject: Re: Cool details for 3d Swamp Map Tue Jul 17, 2007 2:35 pm

yack wrote:: dude if you go through with this, it will be very cool. I have been trying to figure out how to do swamp for a long time.

This map is Definitely a go-ahead!! I already have some material gathered up and ready to go once the garrison is complete. (this map will be connecting with the eastern side of the garrison)
The massive lot of terrain materials i bought off ebay last week will work awesome on Scorpion Swamp. (15 pounds of different colours of flock and ballast)

Subject: Re: Cool details for 3d Swamp Map Mon Jul 30, 2007 10:27 pm

I just had another idea after looking through the village thread.

Put a "terra cotta" sewer pipe in the side of a hill so that it empties into the swamp (and allows nasties a hidden way into the village)!

Now I'm out of ideas.

Subject: Re: Cool details for 3d Swamp Map Tue Jul 31, 2007 8:56 am

Pinky Narfanek wrote:: I just had another idea after looking through the village thread.

Put a "terra cotta" sewer pipe in the side of a hill so that it empties into the swamp (and allows nasties a hidden way into the village)!

Now I'm out of ideas.

Oh ya that is kwel! :gah:

Subject: Re: Cool details for 3d Swamp Map Tue Jul 31, 2007 9:20 pm

Doesn't every city (or large village) need a complex of sewers for the bad guys to inhabit?

Imagine that the sewers are the way into a much larger and much older settlement that was buried by the current village. Why was it buried? Does anything still live there?

I think I've watched too much History Channel with their underground worlds. Palaces hidden underground, marketplaces hidden under bridges and streets. Bomb shelters and fortresses hidden in old breweries, subways and utilities buildings.

And the obligatory Black Dragon that wandered into the sewers while Tiny or Small and got trapped down there. I bet he'd be nice and grumpy by the time he was Large or Huge...

Subject: Re: Cool details for 3d Swamp Map Wed Aug 01, 2007 12:04 am

Man........ sometimes i wish i had normal tv programs and high speed internet Sad

I'd watch the history channel like crazy.

Subject: Re: Cool details for 3d Swamp Map Wed Aug 01, 2007 1:36 am

Oh, the History Channel has some great ****!

Marketplaces and whatnot are buried under Edinburgh(?) and in other parts of England/Scotland. The bomb shelters and bunkers were under (swampy) Berlin. There was a theatre found in Italy (and was frequented by Nero, I believe) and I want to say that one of Nero's palaces was uncovered as well.

Wild stuff. You never know what you'll find underground...

Subject: Re: Cool details for 3d Swamp Map Wed Aug 01, 2007 1:57 am

Pinky Narfanek wrote:: Oh, the History Channel has some great ****!

Marketplaces and whatnot are buried under Edinburgh(?) and in other parts of England/Scotland. The bomb shelters and bunkers were under (swampy) Berlin. There was a theatre found in Italy (and was frequented by Nero, I believe) and I want to say that one of Nero's palaces was uncovered as well.

Wild stuff. You never know what you'll find underground...

Yeah for sure...so many places of interest below the surface of the planets crust. Too bad its so hard to effectively recreate many sub surface dwellings with 3d maps Rolling Eyes

Subject: Re: Cool details for 3d Swamp Map Thu Aug 02, 2007 12:15 am

Visions of a grand village are dancing in my head...layer upon layer of 3-D goodness. All stacked up (or unstacked and sitting next to each other) and shiny!

Village
Sewer 1
Sewer 2
Sewer 3
Lost Temple
Something's Lair

Ooooh, it makes a Vorlon Mouse go all tingly thinking about it!

Subject: Re: Cool details for 3d Swamp Map Thu Aug 02, 2007 12:36 am

Yeah i know...thats the way to do it...stacked. That would be friggin awesome...I did make an actual stacking multi-level 3d map for heroclix. Making the support "pillars" were a pain in the a$$!!!
Here is the link to the Batcave i made:

http://www.hcrealms.com/forum/showthread.php?t=167608

Subject: Re: Cool details for 3d Swamp Map Thu Aug 02, 2007 1:52 am

The Batcave looks great!

As for support columns, I'd probably cheat and use wooden dowels sawed to an appropriate length. Just drop those every once in a while and you should be set so long as the base is decently stable.

But here I sit writing checks with your time, supplies and energy level...

:asth:

Subject: Re: Cool details for 3d Swamp Map Thu Aug 02, 2007 1:15 pm

Pinky Narfanek wrote:: The Batcave looks great!

As for support columns, I'd probably cheat and use wooden dowels sawed to an appropriate length. Just drop those every once in a while and you should be set so long as the base is decently stable.

But here I sit writing checks with your time, supplies and energy level...

When i made that map i had seriously considered using wood support beams. Even with using only blue foam as supports, i was very happy with the stability of the upper level. It was very stable when assembled, very little movement at all.

Subject: Re: Cool details for 3d Swamp Map Thu Aug 02, 2007 2:40 pm

Ahh i forgot!! I also got a large assortment of crayfish claws that will be scattered around in the swamp. (thanks again to my vacation :) )

Subject: Re: Cool details for 3d Swamp Map Thu Aug 02, 2007 10:05 pm

Well, I figure that the dowels would be more important for a subterrainean map because of the all the details...piping for sewers, all the walls, etc. and because you could probably get some better height out of them...that bottom layer would probably be pretty far down.

Man, I wish I had the time/energy to attempt some of this stuff.

Subject: Re: Cool details for 3d Swamp Map Fri Aug 03, 2007 2:18 am

Yeah dowels for sewer piping would work great :)

Subject: Re: Cool details for 3d Swamp Map Sat Aug 04, 2007 2:15 am

Actually, for the sewer piping, I was thinking about PVC pipe sawed in half and filled in with resin on the bottom for a level surface.

Although really you'd only need the half on the top of the sewer to be round (gotta love those arches for weight distribution), and that might be getting a bit excessive as far as detail goes because you're going to need to be able to access the minis and you can't do that through a pipe, so you're really only going to see the arch on any exposed edges...although you could leave 1 or 2 inches at the beginning and end of a pipe section for effect. That might be interesting.

It still sounds like a crazy-insane amount of work with low levels of return on the effort.

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